tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post7021264751085112561..comments2023-04-24T10:31:12.136-07:00Comments on Polishgenes Blog: R1a1a from an Early Bronze Age warrior grave in PolandDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-89345862602697110412018-05-30T10:04:16.419-07:002018-05-30T10:04:16.419-07:00For Mr. Davidski and Mr.SpagetiMeatball
Read: Jan...For Mr. Davidski and Mr.SpagetiMeatball<br /><br />Read: Janisławice-Kujawy theory<br />archaeological artifacts: "inserts type DĘBY"/DĘBY - settlement on Kujawy/Poland; circle of Janisławice culture: 5000 BC/7000 bp<br />http://www.tropie.tarnow.opoka.org.pl/pol_slavs.htmAshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08379710576725021991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-52557567148084124072015-05-21T22:56:31.396-07:002015-05-21T22:56:31.396-07:00Given Anne's FTDNA mtDNA haplogroup test resul...Given Anne's FTDNA mtDNA haplogroup test result, I guess she did a mtDNA full sequence test. So her mtDNA haplogroup test is probably enough. What she needs is to contact with the FTDNA project admins of her mtDNA haplogroup and ask them about her haplogroup origins. Also she has to make her mtDNA full genome sequence results visible to her FTDNA mtDNA haplogroup project admins, if she has Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-41550904135364277512015-05-21T20:50:06.743-07:002015-05-21T20:50:06.743-07:00H1b is a common marker among steppe remains. See a...H1b is a common marker among steppe remains. See also here, for example...<br /><br />http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2014/06/r1a-z93-from-bronze-age-mongolia.html<br /><br />So considering the high level of Bronze Age Eastern European steppe admixture among modern Europeans, your Bronze Age H1b ancestor probably came from that area, and from the Caucasus region before that (with Neolithic Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-28226698007454056292015-05-21T19:42:35.449-07:002015-05-21T19:42:35.449-07:00Would anyone know the geographic origin of H1b1a? ...Would anyone know the geographic origin of H1b1a? FTDNA gave me a reading of H1b1c, but National Geographic (Genochip 2.0) gave me a reading of H1b1a. Any idea if this is a Slavic mtDNA or a SE Mediterranean mtDNA in origin, since it's found from Central Asia to Spain and frequent in Lithuania and Ukraine, etc. Any info is welcome on the origin, if anyone knows. Could it be Balkan? SardinianAnne Hart writes novels, plays, scripts, poems, stories, articles, non-fiction books, and columns.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05622103843251425096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-47144705580096931122015-05-08T18:03:51.714-07:002015-05-08T18:03:51.714-07:00The first thing is this: the Bronze Age warrior be...The first thing is this: the Bronze Age warrior belongs to the same R1a clade as most modern Slavs and Balts, and many Indo-Iranians and Scandinavians.<br /><br />So he was Indo-European, and most likely some kind of early Balto-Slav.<br /><br />The vast majority of Uralics are clearly distinct from Balts and Slavs, and the R1a that they do carry is derived from Indo-European R1a.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-43103556039230240332015-05-08T15:55:23.573-07:002015-05-08T15:55:23.573-07:00First thing first:
How old is the slavic(slavonic...First thing first:<br /><br />How old is the slavic(slavonic language(s)?batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-74803144596904884922015-05-07T12:09:43.231-07:002015-05-07T12:09:43.231-07:00@ Krefter
Yes, Tacitus' Fenni seem like hunte...@ Krefter<br /><br />Yes, Tacitus' Fenni seem like hunter-gatherers to me. I'd say they cannot have been anything other than Finno-Ugrians of the far north. Unlike Ptolemy he didn't locate them in eastern Poland, but vaguely, to the north of the Venethi, which may have been a catch-up term for Slavs and eastern Balts.<br /><br />@ Fanty<br /><br />Not exactly. He wrote: "Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-32364891387918894482015-05-06T17:44:21.472-07:002015-05-06T17:44:21.472-07:00Tacitus also "knew" that the Fenni are &...Tacitus also "knew" that the Fenni are "neither Germans nor Samartians", but something different.<br /><br />Of course we dont know how he knew that.Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-53423828143882421602015-05-06T16:39:55.399-07:002015-05-06T16:39:55.399-07:00There are more results of aDNA tests from Eastern ...There are more results of aDNA tests from Eastern Europe positive for R1a. Run in google "The first results of genetic typing of local population and ancient human bones in Upper Dvina region Chekunova E.M. 1, Yartseva N.V. 1, Chekunov M.K. 2, Mazurkevich A.N." (pages 290-291).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10201651941422409188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-8433259270784033632015-05-06T13:51:23.699-07:002015-05-06T13:51:23.699-07:00Tacitus makes the Fenni look like people not livin...Tacitus makes the Fenni look like people not living far above animals. They don't sound like Iron age people. I would tend towards saying they were Finno-Urgic. Then again he could be exaggerating. <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FenniKrefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-12981404255948130942015-05-06T06:01:45.249-07:002015-05-06T06:01:45.249-07:00@ Gaspar
Well, yes, according to Ptolemy there we...@ Gaspar<br /><br />Well, yes, according to Ptolemy there were two groups of Phinnoi, one in northern Scandinavia, the other one south of the Goths and east of the Vistula. A very strange story if you ask me. <br />But afaik the names Phinnoi and Fenni are not endonyms of Finnic people. The Finns for instance call themselves Suomalaiset. And the Lapps are now rather known under their endonym SamiSimon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-3341514350180629022015-05-04T21:09:15.296-07:002015-05-04T21:09:15.296-07:00ISOGG was updated less than a month ago. The Y DNA...ISOGG was updated less than a month ago. The Y DNA analysis of Haak and Gamba are outdated now. Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-72179370321731757212015-05-04T19:52:36.427-07:002015-05-04T19:52:36.427-07:00I agree with Davidski's statement about pre-Br...I agree with Davidski's statement about pre-Bronze age Poles being I2 and G. It may be hard to imagine all of Europe except the far east(and far hunter gatherer north, and maybe southeast) was genetically uniform just 5,000 years ago, but keep in mind: We have prove from Hungary-Spain-Sweden in the Neolithic everyone was the same. <br /><br />Everyone in Europe today looks to be mostly a Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-51182059330559064712015-05-04T13:49:48.939-07:002015-05-04T13:49:48.939-07:00This Bronze age Polish mtDNA just looks European. ...This Bronze age Polish mtDNA just looks European. The H1s and U5b make it look European. There are too few samples to say much else. The previous report of confirmed H2s was incorrect. <br /><br />Aren't Balto-Slavs originally from around Ukraine and eastern Poland?<br /><br />https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-3826580271193178142015-05-04T12:47:34.773-07:002015-05-04T12:47:34.773-07:00@david
Mostly Neolithic farmer-derived G and loca...@david<br /><br /><i>Mostly Neolithic farmer-derived G and local hunter-gatherer derived I2.</i><br /><br />Then you have changed your opinion on how long r1a has been in poland. So how do you explain the early forms of R1a1a largely being in northwest europe if r1a1a is bronze age, steppe, derived for those regions?<br /><br />Also, why do you think the karelian related r1a extended, pre bronze pnuadhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11902973565704018427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-89882824156579542992015-05-04T12:22:23.436-07:002015-05-04T12:22:23.436-07:00@ Simon
While, as you say it might be proto-slavi...@ Simon<br /><br />While, as you say it might be proto-slavic, ancient historians, Tacitus, Ptolemy and others noted the area in question belonging to the Finni tribes, a uralic group of tribes. <br />To me this fits better with its R1a1 findings.Gasparhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08803562810086047583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-76056319809429989562015-05-04T03:45:37.496-07:002015-05-04T03:45:37.496-07:00Artek sent me the PDF report with the Y-STRs and m...Artek sent me the PDF report with the Y-STRs and mtDNA haplogroups. I guess that's where Krefter got the mtDNA sequence data.<br /><br />The mtDNA looks fairly typically LN/EBA, but with a lot more H than usual.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-43237350972168317492015-05-04T03:38:42.752-07:002015-05-04T03:38:42.752-07:00Late Bronze Age groups of Germany and surroundings...Late Bronze Age groups of Germany and surroundings: http://jpst.it/yEvB<br /><br />Halberstadt falls into the area where the Lusatian culture fades out.<br /><br />The Lichtenstein cave is inbetween the Northwest German and the Unstrut group.<br /><br />In this map only the green and the red areas are designated as Urnfield culture (the eastern and the western group, respectively). Though in Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-18177100723893696662015-05-04T03:24:49.831-07:002015-05-04T03:24:49.831-07:00Judging from the distribution of the oldest Slavic...Judging from the distribution of the oldest Slavic hydronyms according to the Encyclopedia of Indo-European culture, this warrior may be considered a proto-Slav, though at this early date there was probably little difference between Baltic and Slavic.Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-55415273638684090592015-05-03T20:51:33.060-07:002015-05-03T20:51:33.060-07:00Mostly Neolithic farmer-derived G and local hunter...Mostly Neolithic farmer-derived G and local hunter-gatherer derived I2.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-77964013888716620802015-05-03T19:18:50.814-07:002015-05-03T19:18:50.814-07:00David
What would you guess was the y DNA profile ...David <br />What would you guess was the y DNA profile of pre-Bronze Age Vistula Odra region (if one accepts there was no R1a) ?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12259212254098264600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-20663769532420978312015-05-03T15:25:10.594-07:002015-05-03T15:25:10.594-07:00I added the mtDNA to my list of ancient Euro mtDNA...I added the mtDNA to my list of ancient Euro mtDNA.<br /><br />https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HcAhe7QvggT792VruuoZX6IsTg4LhWXV-Z_ZfTk2KGA/editKrefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-45455713018946147972015-05-03T13:14:58.584-07:002015-05-03T13:14:58.584-07:00Early Corded Ware Culture period around 4,700 YBP....Early Corded Ware Culture period around 4,700 YBP.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-45795944064811282532015-05-03T13:10:52.411-07:002015-05-03T13:10:52.411-07:00If you had to put a date on it, when do you think ...If you had to put a date on it, when do you think R1a1 first entered east central europe?spagetiMeatballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01324633097628826684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-18613990546753299662015-05-03T12:54:08.711-07:002015-05-03T12:54:08.711-07:00Artmar, has told me that they're planning on t...Artmar, has told me that they're planning on testing the coding region of all the samples from the site to determine deep mtDNA subclade, find what R1a1 subclade the warrior belonged to, and test pigmentation alleles. Nothing about autosomal DNA. <br /><br />In-case you haven't seen, here's his reconstruction. They have no idea what pigmentation he had. Previous claims were based on Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.com