tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post8777724519364755848..comments2023-04-24T10:31:12.136-07:00Comments on Polishgenes Blog: Badasses of the Bronze Age: Analysis of Andronovo, Battle-Axe, Corded Ware and Sintashta genomes - part oneDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-32365246315700330572015-06-29T07:02:27.694-07:002015-06-29T07:02:27.694-07:00David,
// linguists generally consider the Sintash...David,<br />// linguists generally consider the Sintashta/Andronovo people as the most likely candidates for the Proto-Indo-Iranians, and thus the precursors of the Indo-Aryans. But this is contested by many Indologists, who prefer to see the deepest roots of the Indo-Iranians closer to India and often oppose the idea of an Aryan conquest of South Asia during the Bronze Age.//<br />No David,Not Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-77847772383240404672015-06-28T08:52:27.908-07:002015-06-28T08:52:27.908-07:00@Arch,
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xe...@Arch,<br /><br />https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xe9sgt0PSt6cUQ3cYp14foBoaVGsOKZBmmHJoKz0HB0/edit#gid=1993675580<br />Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-42231368533610357322015-06-26T11:24:20.971-07:002015-06-26T11:24:20.971-07:00Impressive levels of R1a.
Years ago, people would ...Impressive levels of R1a.<br />Years ago, people would have agreed that Corded Ware would have high levels (like 50-60% or something) of R1a, but so far, it almost apears as a almost exlcusive R1(a) population. cOFantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-49728455433492562332015-06-26T09:31:17.117-07:002015-06-26T09:31:17.117-07:00Is there information on the pigmentation frequenci...Is there information on the pigmentation frequencies of the Corded Ware?Arch Hadeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00679577049261430513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-34096654863445142382015-06-24T19:41:21.547-07:002015-06-24T19:41:21.547-07:00Excellent, thank you Krefter.Excellent, thank you Krefter.Gui Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10460980441040040539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-62439056359931856872015-06-24T19:02:40.702-07:002015-06-24T19:02:40.702-07:00RISE61 can pass for continental Corded Ware, but d...RISE61 can pass for continental Corded Ware, but definitely late Corded Ware with local admixture.<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQQmVVRzAzNzhIaTQ/view?usp=sharingDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-22303120638608791172015-06-24T15:21:32.118-07:002015-06-24T15:21:32.118-07:00@Davidski,
Can you analysis RISE61. He's from ...@Davidski,<br />Can you analysis RISE61. He's from Late Neolithic Denmark and had R1a-Z284. It'd be interesting if he was Corded Ware-like.Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-80414771859886860712015-06-24T14:31:09.213-07:002015-06-24T14:31:09.213-07:00@Gui S,
"Is there a compendium somewhere for ...@Gui S,<br />"Is there a compendium somewhere for all the GEDmatch IDs of the ancient samples?"<br /><br />Haak 2015.<br /><br />https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mqp4gxtzpng3kom/AAC8ctJnRh-T_T73s81E7T75a/Samples.xlsx?dl=0<br /><br />Everything else.<br />y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.htmlKrefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-80888340906447466692015-06-24T05:21:14.569-07:002015-06-24T05:21:14.569-07:00Very exciting, keep up the good work!
BTW, Is the...Very exciting, keep up the good work!<br /><br />BTW, Is there a compendium somewhere for all the GEDmatch IDs of the ancient samples? I don't have the courage to sift through hundreds of comments... <br /><br />Also, I'll try to make some maps (I am thinking of trying to make an animated map that follows the chronology for the main components) once there is a new K8 or any new Gui Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10460980441040040539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-35973285319320182742015-06-24T04:31:30.323-07:002015-06-24T04:31:30.323-07:00Hi Gui,
I just like having a blog that deals spec...Hi Gui,<br /><br />I just like having a blog that deals specifically with Polish stuff and R1a.<br /> <br />Some of these samples are available at GEDmatch and they can be analyzed with the K7 there. But I tried the K8 on them, and I suppose because of the low coverage and their basically haploid nature the results were a bit wobbly.<br /><br />What I might have to do is to overhaul the K8 so Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-32559911967835163972015-06-24T03:53:47.729-07:002015-06-24T03:53:47.729-07:00Eventhough I don't comment much these days, I ...Eventhough I don't comment much these days, I am still following all the amazing new findings. I was just wondering, though, David, why do you post some stuff on here, and other on Eurogenes? Why not have everything on the same page?<br /><br />Also are you leaving the Yamnaya samples out of this storyline because they are too far East?<br /><br />Finally can we expect to see K7 and K8 runs Gui Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10460980441040040539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-11688268906407334562015-06-23T14:23:28.796-07:002015-06-23T14:23:28.796-07:00Dmytro,
I won't be looking at the mtDNA becau...Dmytro,<br /><br />I won't be looking at the mtDNA because these were patrilineal groups who's maternal structure probably changed more than their Y-DNA and genome-wide DNA as they migrated.<br /><br />But here's a table with all of the mtDNA hg classifications from Allentoft et al. Not sure how deep they go?<br /><br />http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v522/n7555/extref/Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-6674809823751452172015-06-23T13:15:11.212-07:002015-06-23T13:15:11.212-07:00An R1a from Corded Ware Germany has come out L664+...An R1a from Corded Ware Germany has come out L664+ and an R1a from Denmark(during the era Corded Ware was there) has come out Z284+. Click on my "Vladimir Tagankin at YFull" source and you'll see there are even more downstream subclades these samples were positive for not listed at ISOGG. <br /><br />https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12G2cfjG0wHWarsl5bB99ridFmvUWzqlZfZ6_e_R6oIAKrefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-64443469836026063612015-06-23T09:05:53.234-07:002015-06-23T09:05:53.234-07:00Yeah, this can be tricky. The difference between ...Yeah, this can be tricky. The difference between a Battle-Axe Swede and a Scottish Bell Beaker can depend on the local archaeological interpretations.<br />A lot of Scottish and Dutch Beakers are buried w/ battle-axes in an E-W manner,<br />Battle-Axe Swedes with daggers in N-S manner. They were all mixed regardless.bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-67717477818075239052015-06-23T08:21:36.811-07:002015-06-23T08:21:36.811-07:00Anything interesting in the MtDNA of these "B...Anything interesting in the MtDNA of these "Badasses"?Dmytrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08494390634041394412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-57883080660214050842015-06-23T07:23:51.422-07:002015-06-23T07:23:51.422-07:00You are right. I hope we will know more stuff abou...You are right. I hope we will know more stuff about this mysterious population in the future. I am looking forward to the ADMIXTURE results of this R1b u106 guy. Tesmoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03901983560016099052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-82542073609065370002015-06-23T06:29:46.544-07:002015-06-23T06:29:46.544-07:00I'm not sure. There are a number of arguments ...I'm not sure. There are a number of arguments against him being Bell Beaker as well. <br /><br />He's interesting though, because as you say, unlike the certified Battle-Axe RISE94, he looks like a modern Scandinavian on that plot, and he's R1b-U106 as well.<br /><br />So whatever he is, he's probably very important to Norse and Germanic ethnogenesis.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-60007803515868209692015-06-23T06:21:36.766-07:002015-06-23T06:21:36.766-07:00Davidski, he might be even from an another populat...Davidski, he might be even from an another population because his burial and grave is not typical CWC/Battle Axe at all. Michal explained it here.<br /><br />http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4664-Request-Y-DNA-haplogroup-results-from-Allentoft-2015&p=90395&viewfull=1#post90395<br /><br />Which population is he from if it's not either typical for Bell Beaker and Corded Ware?Tesmoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03901983560016099052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-70038138031576279852015-06-23T05:20:04.688-07:002015-06-23T05:20:04.688-07:00It does suggest that. Based on this latest batch o...It does suggest that. Based on this latest batch of ancient genomes all of the ingredients for the Proto-Germanics appear to have been in south Scandinavia during the Bronze Age.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-62517095364603087032015-06-23T04:52:52.383-07:002015-06-23T04:52:52.383-07:00Correct me if I'm wrong, but R1b-U106 (RISE98)...Correct me if I'm wrong, but R1b-U106 (RISE98) found in Sweden suggests that Germanic Urheimat was somewhere in Scandinavia (perhaps Nordic Bronze Age culture)?Suevihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01044208552715729106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-18787644365545981222015-06-23T04:20:17.149-07:002015-06-23T04:20:17.149-07:00Yeah, it looks to me as if the authors are hedging...Yeah, it looks to me as if the authors are hedging their bets about RISE98. They classify RISE94 as baCw and Battle-Axe in the supp info, but RISE98 gets baSca and Battle-Axe/Nordic LN. See supp info tables 1 and 9.<br /><br />Also, the fact that RISE98 is R1b-U106 and clusters in a different part of the plot than the R1a RISE94 is probably a hint that the Battle-Axe classification for the formerDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-84221061732633103342015-06-23T04:12:19.664-07:002015-06-23T04:12:19.664-07:00Rise98 is significantly closer to modern Scandinav...Rise98 is significantly closer to modern Scandinavians than Rise 94 interesting.Tesmoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03901983560016099052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-75320373252803815012015-06-23T04:10:24.850-07:002015-06-23T04:10:24.850-07:00I see you have put a question mark to the second B...I see you have put a question mark to the second Battle-Axe individual.<br />What is the reasoning? Was this a N-S burial?bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-69425640985520630562015-06-23T03:37:35.426-07:002015-06-23T03:37:35.426-07:00Yeah, there's been a bunch of horseshit publis...Yeah, there's been a bunch of horseshit published on the topic and it'll take years to correct it with ancient genomics.<br /><br />The suggestion that Slavs arrived from Asia at ay point is comical.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6191565439230824899.post-36523412009668147992015-06-23T03:29:51.480-07:002015-06-23T03:29:51.480-07:00When exactly Slavicisation of East Germanic R1a pe...When exactly Slavicisation of East Germanic R1a people took place in Central Europe? According to many scholars, eastern parts of Germania were inhabited exclusively by Germanic-speaking people during the Iron Age, and since the 5th-6th century AD by the Slavs, who it seems did not arrive from the Eastern Europe/Asia, but are direct ancestors of Central Europeans (?!). If the Slavs show genetic Suevihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01044208552715729106noreply@blogger.com